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Present

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Organization

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Nancy Cornish

CDC

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Manjula Gama-Ralalage

CDC

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Riki Merrick

APHL

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Christina Gallegos

APHL

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Amy Lui

Inductive Health / APHL

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Raj Dash

Duke / CAP

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John Snyder

National Library of Medicine (SNOMED CT)

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Andrea Pitkus

UW

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Kathy Walsh

Labcorp

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Rob Hausam

Hausam Consulting

Doug Franklin

APHL

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Pam Banning

3M

Discussion topics

Item

Notes

Upcoming OOO

  • Riki 3/21-3/24

Review call notes from last week

Briefly done

Presentation from National Cancer Surveillance Program at CDC to ONC

  • Nancy and Manjula were on this presentation last week

    • Goal would be for ONC to understand more of this need and also to bring CMS into the discussion - CDC is working on adding more background to the slide deck to share it

    • CMS is re-organizing, hopefully that will result in more support for interoperabilty - Nancy can share the paper:

  • Presentation idetified the need for data blob data to be turned into discrete data

  • includes screening for cervical cancer

  • 30% are using the electronic Cancer Checklist (eCCs) in the US, 90% in Canada - now called protocols

    • used to be just pdf

    • now has XML version so vendors can incoporate it into their system

    • and can then send this electronically

  • even if labs use eCC, it may not go across the interface into the EHR-s

  • CAP does not mandate use of discrete data for clinical care - just requires the data elements be present

  • Does this include the AOEs that are required for Pap smears?

    • maybe on the cancer screening - as augmentation - this checklist is for the workflow after the specimen is received

  • FHIR representation of the eCC’s being worked on

  • specimen tracking is differnt in the EHR-s from the pathology result section - so need to watch for potential discrepancy between what the surgeon enters manually

    • would need to define the source of truth for that

    • could maybe pull this into the eCC from the EHR-s in the future?

  • Has the eCC been evaluated for use of the LOINC LHC forms (survey panels)?

    • Canada added the individual discrete readings back in 2006

    • example: 85905-8

    • They are also being represented in SCT models - working on solid tumors

    • at Winter 2018 LOINC meeting this was a discussion item - agreement with CAP to have LOINCs created for the high volume, but then that contract was discontinued due to contractual / licensing restrictions 😞 - would be great if that could get resurrected, because MU requires LOINC

  • the new LOINC/SNOMED agreement will need to review the interlectual property agreements LOINC has (for use in the SNOMED CT LOINC extension)

  • have speicmen in clincial lab and pathology lab

  • would be good to harmonize data elements around clinical genomics data as well

  • need everything in a single code system?

  • support for more code systems will require updates to the underlying EHR-s and LIS codes - often data dictionary an ony be mapped to a single code system

  • goal would be to encode the most granular clincial context for the data

  • International EHR-s and LIS vendors will have to support multiple code systems based on legislation and jurisdictional regulations

    • Epic

    • Cerner

    • MediTech

    • CliniSys / Mimps

Is there a way we can help?

Could make LOINC Committee aware of this topic

Review LabMCoP confluence space

  • Quick overview

TRUU-Lab follow up

  • Support for educational offerings

  • SHIELD involvement

Dr. Sing will provide update on TRUU Lab for CLIAC April - update to this presentation from 2018

https://www.cdc.gov/cliac/docs/addenda/cliac0919/13_TRUU-LAB_Singh.pdf

Also present to Clinical Lab Partners Forum

SHIELD might put up a Test Naming topic call April 11

Some questions from SHIELD:

  • Are TRUU Lab calls happening? - the time has changed - need to find out if calls are open

  • Also a question on the website?

  •  Riki to Follow up with Dr. Singh on getting this information out there
  • Regenstrief re-organized internally (LOINC & Health Data Standards LHDS covers UCUM as well) - invite them for that SHIELD call

Reporting Biomarkers to Cancer registries

NOT DISCUSSED

Specimen CMT - Progress

NOT DISCUSSED

https://app.smartsheet.com/sheets/h6JWqw5v9pwvrqWMq9r4g85CXjv9M8VvVqvHRwc1?view=grid

Specimen CMT - Hosting Options

NOT DISCUSSED

email update from John: I talked to SNOMED International and I am going to be setting up a special area in the US Extension where I can do some test modeling and create new attribute relationships. Once I have that setup, I will try doing some test models off the existing content and see what I can come up with

Specimen CMT - education

NOT DISCUSSED

Specimen CMT - potential pilot sites

Goal is to have some implementers lined up by April - so who to reach out to?

  •  Andrea will see, if she can use the Specimen CMT content in their cancer project and report back
  •  Raj to reach out to CAP to get contacts at vendors that we don’t have contact for - see here: Vendor Connections

Specimen CMT - tracking implementation impact

  • Setting baseline

  • Define metrics

NOT DISCUSSED

Specimen CMT - Compare to NHS Medical Terminology testing

NOT DISCUSSED

Specimen CMT - review of terms with questions

NOT DISCUSSED

Future projects for this call after CMT

NOT DISCUSSED

From Chat:

Andrea Pitkus 12:13 PM
The CAP eCP allows for capture discretely and Raj is right it may or may not be stored, or transmitted discretely, much less encoded

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Recording of the call: https://www.aphlweb.org/aphl_departments/Strategic_Initiatives_and_Research/IPMG/ConfigMgt/LabMCoP/Meeting Notes/2023-03-02_LabMCop Calls.zip

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