2024-01-08 Vocabulary WG Meeting Notes

Participants for today’s call:

 

 

Membership:

Name

Organization

Role

Name

Organization

Role

Scott Campbell

UNMC

Co-Chair

Steering Committee member

Raj Dash

College of American Pathologists (CAP)

Co-Chair

Steering Committee member

Dan Rutz

Epic

Steering Committee member

Muktha Natrajan

CDC

 

Sandy Jones (Secondary)

CDC Cancer Surveillance

 

Anne Peruski (Secondary)

CDC

 

Andrea Pitkus

University of Wisconsin-Madison

Steering Committee member

Xavier Gansel

bioMérieux

Steering Committee member

Stan Huff

Graphite Health

Steering Committee member

John Snyder

NLM

Steering Committee member

Rob Hausam

Hausam Consulting

 

Marjorie Rollins

Regenstrief

Steering Committee member

Amy McCormick (secondary)

Epic

 

Nanguneri Nirmala

Tufts Medical Center

Steering Committee member

Mehdi Nassiri

Indiana University/Indiana University Health/Association for Molecular Pathology

Steering Committee member

Eza Hafeza

Regenstrief

Steering Committee member

Jim Case

Snomed International

Steering Committee member

Mary Kennedy

CAP

 

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Review: Identify tangible activities for this working group

Identify use cases / challenges in lab interoperability.

  1. D-dimer (DIMER - Overview: D-Dimer, Plasma (mayocliniclabs.com))

 

Use case review

  1. D-dimer re-reviewed by Dr. Dash

  2. Andrea Pitkus described how LIDR is envisioned to be used. Taking POC use cases as a next step. What constitutes uniqueness (unique ID for LIDR - might have multiple rows with same LOINC code but different LIDR IDs). Different specimens, reference ranges, methodologies may result in different LIDR ID. No resource in government or healthcare organizations to go through package inserts and determine equivalency. National level - registry needed for coordination. Some discussion of private vs public dissemination of data from IVD manufacturers.

  3. DIMER - Overview: D-Dimer, Plasma
    Mayo has a few different d-dimer orders, so would be good to connect which one is in each report
    DDITT - Overview: D-Dimer, Plasma
    https://ltd.aruplab.com/Tests/Pub/0030057

  4. Standards required for harmonization:

    1. Source of information (Duke, Mayo, ARUP, UNMC, etc)

    2. LOINC code

    3. Reference range (what “type” being specified in the result?)

      1. the standard distribution for “normal” population

      2. expected value for the specific patient, given demographics, history, disease conditions

    4. Methodology

    5. Instrument w/ test kit specific to the test (as specified by manufacturer)

    6. Some type of harmonization status (LIDR “ID” as described above)

    7. Preferred display name (as specified in LOINC code?) - TruLab’s focus

  5. Will adapt above list into a spreadsheet for comparison of results

 

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Next steps

  1. Pull package inserts from D-dimers

  2. Sample report, HL7 interface message, Instrument name, model, “ID” would be ideal to compare

  3. AST (AST - Overview: Aspartate Aminotransferase (AST) (GOT), Serum (mayocliniclabs.com))

  4. Urine culture and susceptibility testing (DUHS Electronic Test Catalog (duke.edu))

 

Cloud recording:

Video Conferencing, Web Conferencing, Webinars, Screen Sharing

From Chat:

Andrea Pitkus to Everyone 1:36 PM
Is this in addition to the culture susceptibilities that Xavier and BMX originally requested?

Jim Case to Everyone 1:36 PM
I have to leave at the top of the hour for another call.

Andrea Pitkus to Everyone 1:38 PM
https://www.testmenu.com/nebraska/Tests/277430
same here
Stan, here's UNL's D-Dimer. They have two different ways of reporting warranting 2 different LOINCs, but only have one in their online catalog

Scott Campbell to Everyone 1:40 PM
I claim ingnorance
LOL

Scott Campbell to Everyone 1:47 PM
I think the old coca-cola jingle works for “harmony"

Pam Banning - 3M Health Info Systems to Everyone 1:50 PM
I think i missed a November assignment from this call to get more hospitals examples of D-Dimer and possible historical display of method changes. will work on that.

Pam Banning - 3M Health Info Systems to Everyone 1:52 PM
There are d-dimer examples from reference labs under the "ellipsis" of attachments. We just started with Duke and Nebraska natively on that past call

Pam Banning - 3M Health Info Systems to Everyone 1:56 PM
https://aphlinformatics.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=2128838819

Scott Campbell to Everyone 1:56 PM
No, I completely unplugged for the holidays

Andrea Pitkus to Everyone 1:58 PM
DIMER - Overview: D-Dimer, Plasma
Mayo has a few different d-dimer orders, so would be good to connect which one is in each report
DDITT - Overview: D-Dimer, Plasma
https://ltd.aruplab.com/Tests/Pub/0030057